there's still a lot of fights to be had, even about saving obama care, but it was really stunning to me. he talked about persistence and the connection between a president and the public and that motivating persistence, but that's different than fighting. >> about why he would continue to fight. and as i say, comparing politics to rolling a boulder up the hill is a little different from the way he began his life in politics like popping a champagne cork. this is tuff stuff. he showed his own motivation. he said i remember every day. >> guy, he's been there before. i didn't have to remind him of being in that car all alone, an african-american guy, heading out into the suburbs of illinois where no black guy's won anything, he's got the map, i've got to discover illinois so i can be elected senator after being beaten in a south chicago race. >> after the 2010 election, remember that, that was a tremendous blow, and he sort of reassessed his presidency and how you can move forward and started emphasizing some of what he talked about today, the difference in values between him and the re